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I created a monster that I'm considering as the center-point of a story. You'll need a bit of detail to get how this works. In this 'verse, vampires are hybrids with both human and demonic physical aspects combined into one body, but the human aspect can die off, leaving a demon beast that pretty much cares for little more than killing. Using Beowulf as a metaphor, vampires would be represented by the settlement that Grendel decimates on a regular basis while the demon beast would then be a lot like Grendel. My monster has been genetically engineered off of vampire stock: she can pass, based both on appearance and how she interacts, as human but her core motivation is that of a demon beast: kill, kill, kill.


I was trying to work out why I couldn't come up with a story around this monster and I realized that many – although not all – of the classic monsters have a human component. In The Mummy, Boris Karloff's character wants to restore his ancient love to life. Lon Chaney, Jr.'s character, in The Wolfman, anguishes over the destruction caused by his other self, as does Dr. Jekyll over Dr. Hyde's actions. Darth Vader reveals himself as Luke's father and defies the Emperor to save his son. The Emperor, as a minor character, gets away with being purely evil.


Dracula, on the other hand, is a more interesting case. He presents himself as human – in the old Bela Lugosi film he's quite suave and sophisticated – but he doesn't care about anyone other than himself. However his minion, Renfield, bridges that gap: he acts as both monster (devouring both flies and nice juicy spiders) and man (advising the hero to get “the girl” as far away as possible before the sun rises).


And then there are, as I suggested earlier, monsters that seem to have no humanity. Zombies tend to fall into this category. Novels such as Warm Bodies, where zombies are becoming human again, aside, most zombies aren't much more than human-looking eating machines. Ming the Merciless cares for no one other than himself. His daughter takes on a role similar to that of Darth Vader – switching sides near the end of the movie – but she doesn't fill that gap as effectively as Vader or Renfield. Godzilla tends to just rampage through Tokyo, although I do find it interesting, in this context, that my favorite of those monsters is Gamerah (the big flying turtle) who is, if I'm recalling it correctly, a friend or helper to humans.


These are mostly ramblings I had last night. What am I missing about what makes a monster into a great villain?

Date: 2013-07-13 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lit-gal.livejournal.com
Personally I always look for a villain who believes himself to be the hero of his own story. At his core, Darth Vader is young Anakin Skywalker who is just standing up for himself. Mommy Dearest is trying to raise her children right. Iago is trying to put things "right" by taking his rightful place at the top of the military command. Even Satan in Paradise Lost has his reasons for rebelling. To me, pure evil is boring. Hannibal Lector with his careful manners and good breeding and clear intellectual superiority is more interesting.

Date: 2013-07-14 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
I always look for a villain who believes himself to be the hero of his own story. That's an awesome point. *runs off to make sure I did this with my villans in current story*

Thanks!

Date: 2013-07-14 07:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Yep, I remember the big flying turtle, battling Godzilla on the side of the humans. It seems to me that Godzilla got even more popular when he became something of the good guy in many later movies, battling other monsters and saving humanity - although he always seemed to flatten Tokyo in the process.

I don't think you're missing anything - the best monsters are the ones who are conflicted, who have at least a little humanity in them. Otherwise you have to find someone else to hang you story hat on. For instance, The Walking Dead isn't really about zombies at all: It's about Rick Grimes and his group, struggling to hold onto their own humanity. Even Hannibal Lector wanted to help Clarice, if only for his own reasons.

Date: 2013-07-14 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
I was thinking that Godzilla got friendlier as he went along. Certainly the baby Godzilla, blowing smoke rings, humanized him (Godzilla is a him, right? Not sure how he ended up with a baby.)

And I love The Walking Dead, as well as agree with you that it's about the group/people and not zombies at all.

Date: 2013-07-15 05:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
I'm not sure if they ever established Godzilla's sex ... but he came up with that kid somehow!

Date: 2013-07-15 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
I just looked it up. Apparently Godzilla is both male and female, which is a thing lizards can do.

Date: 2013-07-16 06:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Hm. Seems like that would take some of the fun out of the process ...

Date: 2013-07-16 07:59 pm (UTC)

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