Star Trek

Aug. 18th, 2016 01:28 pm
dragonyphoenix: Blackadder looking at scraps of paper, saying "It could use a beta" (Francine transcendant)
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snogged just posted that she's, for the first time, watching Star Trek ToS. I'm amused because I'm also in the middle of a ToS watch. Leslie and I have watched through The Gamesters of Triskelion and, okay, that wasn't the best episode but I, who have never been a Star Trek fan, am enjoying the series more than I'd expected to. I guess I'll have to rethink that not a fan thing.

Leslie got me interested in Star Trek through the reboot movies and through Star Trek Continues, which is creating epidoses to finish up the five year arc of the original series. These gave me the idea to hunt up ToS DVDs at the library so we could watch them together.

I personally enjoyed the reboot movies although, yes, the lack of focus on social issues did disappoint. I also can't help comparing reboot Uhura to the women of Babyon 5 or, now that I'm watching it, to ToS Uhura. For example, in the reboot, when Kirk's flying a ship through a tight space, Uhura screams. Aargh! I hate it when the woman is the one, the only one, who screams. In ToS, when Sulu, under the influence of something and not in his right mind, grabs her saying "I'll protect you, fair maiden.", Uhura gets him off of her with a fighting move and replies "Sorry, neither." Eee! Loved that!

One of the thing that suprised me about ToS is that we don't always see the core characters. Spock, Kirk, McCoy, and Scotty, yes, they're constants, but Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov aren't. I believe we didn't see Chekov until the second season and we have yet to see him and Sulu in the same episode. I think Uhura is mostly there but there were a couple of episodes with a blonde in her place.

And, yes, I do with they'd kept Number One. She seemed to have a tight hold on her emotions. I'm wondering if Spock might have been less coldly logical if she'd been kept on as a character.

Date: 2016-08-18 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kerkevik-2014.livejournal.com
What stage have you reached? Love to journey along with you. Both actually :-)

Date: 2016-08-18 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
Season 2, The Gamemasters of Triskelion is the most recent episode we've seen. Our next watch date is tomorrow and we'll likely get in three or four episodes.

So far I've recognized all episodes except Obsession (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsession_(Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series)). I hadn't realized I'd seen so much of the original series!

Date: 2016-08-19 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snogged.livejournal.com
I love Number One. I really hope the fan theory about ST: Discovery is true.

Date: 2016-08-19 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
Fan theory?

Date: 2016-08-19 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] punch-kicker15.livejournal.com
Glad the reboot movies have led to some enjoyable rewatches!

I also can't help comparing reboot Uhura to the women of Babyon 5 or, now that I'm watching it, to ToS Uhura.

To me, the high point of female Trek characters (or any Trek character really) was DS9's Kira Nerys. Sadly, I don't think we'll ever see the likes of her again.

The first reboot movie felt regressive to me in terms of representation. They could have brought in Chapel and Rand, but didn't. And every woman other than Uhura in the movie was there to either 1) be ogled by Kirk in her underwear or 2) be someone's mother. TOS, and the TOS movies, often managed to have women who were scientists, or judges, or religious leaders, or outright leaders of their planets. It felt weird to me to have the reboot be less inclusive than the 40+ year old source material.

Date: 2016-08-19 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
It felt weird to me to have the reboot be less inclusive than the 40+ year old source material. Yes. This. Thank you for finding the words I couldn't. Exactly it!

Date: 2016-08-20 12:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] double_dutchess
So the reboot movies actually took a step backward in how Uhura is portrayed? That's disappointing.

Date: 2016-08-21 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
Yeah, it is. On the other hand, the original has lines like "Once she gets married she'll quit Star Fleet to raise kids." which they wouldn't be stupid enough to say nowadays!

Date: 2016-08-21 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikesjojo.livejournal.com
TOS fane here from the original showing. The network told him he could keep the alien or the women second in command - so he kept Spock and married Majel. She's the actress who plays nurse Chapel - and the voice for the computer.

Funny stories - the network was worried that the south would see Spock as satan, so they ordered that his ears be airbrushed to normal in all the pics. Then the character took off, and the network demanded to know why the pics were altered - and they literally fired the guy who did the work. Also - the episode with the green Orion slave women - the make-up department sprayed her green, but when the daily rushes came out, her skin was normal. So they used a deeper green - again normal. Finally someone from the film department complained that this actress kept coming up green and it was getting really hard to correct her skin tone.

Date: 2016-08-21 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
*laughs* Good stories although I'm feeling a bit heated that the guy who'd been told to "fix" Spock's ears was fired for doing so!

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